It's illegal in Britain. I don't believe in the death penalty, mainly because death is such an easy escape, think of all those prisoners who try to hang themselves everyday...

posted Oct 30, 2010

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The death penalty was abolished in Canada back in the 1960s although the last execution happened in the 1950s. The largest mass hanging in Canadian history happened two hours away from here in 1885.

I don't agree with the entire criminal justice system, I would have a system that relied on personal responsibility.

I suppose if someone committed a heinous enough crime against someone they could be thrown off a bridge with a piano wire wrapped around their neck.

That said, I don't think the state should have a monopoly on violence, I hate to think of all of the innocent people who have been put to death wrongly.

posted Oct 30, 2010

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This is basically why I'm against it. There's no room for error when dealing with a man's life.

posted Oct 30, 2010

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Case in point, David Millgaard.

posted Oct 31, 2010

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Actually, the death penalty for murder in Canada wasn't actually eliminated until 1976, and the last execution was in Toronto in 1962.

(My boyfriend and I were having a random discussion about capital punishment over dinner the other day, and did lots of fact-checking.)

posted Oct 31, 2010

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I'm actualy unsure of the current situation of it.
According to what I know, it is legal with a lethal injection.
A couple weeks ago the congress tried to pass a law that would grant the president the power to forgive the condemned but he rejected it,
Therefore if someone is condemned to the death penalty they will be executed no matter what.

I think it's disgusting that my country still has the death penalty. There's only 2 countries in latin america that contemplate the death penalty and we are one of them :/ I can understand that the insecurity and criminal levels in here broke the roof already (hell i live here I should know it), but if not even the death penalty is working to keep people from getting in trouble then I think we need a new system not a way to kill the citizens.

posted Oct 31, 2010

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not legal here in italy but, if it were to me , i would re establish it !!
1. prisons in italy are overcrowded
2. citizens have to pay to maintain them
3. if someone i loved got killed / raped etc. i would definetevely want to have revenge .
but i believe death penalty shoul be used only with cases in which the criminal is 100% guilty .
i would first start with all the mafia bosses ( who have nice plasma tv's and playstations in their room), serial killers, serial rapers and people who abuse of children !!

posted Oct 31, 2010

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The Philippines was the first Asian country to abolish the death penalty for all crimes in 1987. However, it was re-introduced in 1993 and suspended in 2000. Death penalty continued on until it was abolished last June 2006.

I do not approve of death penalty because here, MONEY is JUSTICE.
Wealthy scumbags like corrupt politicians and druglords can easily get away by hiring the best private lawyers, bribing police officers, or by blaming the minority. For the poor and innocent, who are most of the time wrongly accused, NO MONEY = NO JUSTICE.

In a survey conducted among 425 convicts in 1998, 105 or 24.7% were agricultural workers, 103 were construction workers, 73 were transport workers, and 42 were in workers in sales and services. Only 6% finished college while 32.4 % finished various levels of high school while the remaining did not go to school or have finished only elementary or vocational education. -PAHRA

posted Oct 31, 2010

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(continuation)

Also, death penalty is a violation of our right to live. Our right to change.

"You see, being in Death Row is like being inside a bottle painted black. But you learn to live with it, to search for some light. Otherwise, you will lose your soul." Rueben Montilla, 26, spent three years on death row for a marijuana conviction (even though he's innocent) that was later reduced to life in prison. In his yellow flip-flops and shorts, Montilla looks more like a kid headed to the beach, instead of nowhere, ever again. "Being closed off," he says, "is the worst thing."

The Philippine justice system is so fucked up, slow and imperfect, that it used death penalty (at that time) as an excuse to satiate the people and led them into thinking that the government is doing something efficient. I don't think you can omit criminality using this method.

I think dp. is currently banned here, but the justice system is still fucked up. And we'll never know what will happen next since we just elected a new president.

TL;DR. Sorry for the rant.

posted Oct 31, 2010

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It costs more on average to execute someone in America than it does to imprison someone for life in Britain.

posted Oct 31, 2010

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shit I was a decade off.....someone should execute me for that slip up.

posted Oct 31, 2010

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In my home state, executions have resumed. The last one was about four years ago.

I honestly feel like there are people who commit such heinous crimes that they just simply do not deserve to live- like a guy in my county raping a toddler, brutally murdering her, and throwing her body into a dumpster (the terrible thing is this is a very similar story that seems to repeat itself). I don't know how that can ever be excused on any level.

But at the same time, how do you quantify the damage caused by a crime that would warrant the death penalty? Because it is a fact that you can be found guilty of murder, but still not receive a death penalty, or even a life sentence. Some people will receive it, others won't, perhaps based on the forcefulness of the prosecution or the weakness of the defense or the particular jury. The same crime could be punished in many different ways, based on the trial. Just because you commit a capital offense does not mean you receive capital punishment-- even first degree murder may end with a life sentence. So what exactly warrants the death penalty, then, if it can't be regularly stuck on a particular legal offense? We can't really measure an exact magnitude of suffering or loss for the victim or for those close to them, we can't chart the degree of "evil" or whatever it is. So in my opinion, just for the sake of legal clarity and fairness, the death penalty is just far too arbitrary a sentence in the end, even though emotionally I feel that desire for some sort of retribution.

posted Oct 31, 2010

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No it's not. You're barely get jail for killin' someone in sweden. -.-'

posted Oct 31, 2010

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What if you're in a Metal band and you kill the singer from another metal band?

posted Nov 1, 2010

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You'd have to go to a pyskolog for a year then it would be okay again.

posted Nov 1, 2010

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It's not allowed here in the Philippines and I think it's wrong the execute someone no matter how bad the crime is.

posted Nov 1, 2010

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our justice system sucks, but it's a good thing that we don't support the death penalty.

posted Nov 1, 2010

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True, :D

But I think we could've abolished it much earlier than 2006. As far as I know there was a heightened crime rate on 1993 and from what I said earlier the government re-introduced DP as a form of excuse so that they could eliminate the cases easily, and lead the people into thinking that they are acting fast and doing a good job. Which is totally BS.

(Grabe, ang sakit sa ulo ng sistema ng hustisya sa Pilipinas! Hehe.)

posted Nov 1, 2010

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i'd happly flick the switch, shoot the gun etc.

posted Nov 1, 2010

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I thought that said "fuck the switch" and the rest took on a completely different meaning...

posted Nov 1, 2010

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It doesn't happen in Australia. I don't really agree with the death penalty but like other people have said it is an easy way out, I would rather see the people who commit horrible crimes be kept in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives which I think would be a far worse punishment. At least with the death penalty though you know they are never going to get out, it is awful when someone who has done such terrible things gets released because they have been 'good' or whatever.

posted Nov 1, 2010

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this topic reminds me of that quote... "why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong" or something.

posted Nov 2, 2010

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death penalty is stupid. because people totally get what they deserve by dying a "humane" death.
long, numerous years of torture ,depending on how bad the crime is,or putting them in better use to the public like making products and such, on the other hand..

posted Nov 2, 2010

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U-S-A! U-S-A!

posted Nov 2, 2010

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I'm really ambivalent over the issue, I'm really interested in psychology as well as serial killers and the like.
On one side, I believe it is at times necessary (this idea was only reinforced after my read of the Autobiography of Donald Gaskins, a serial killer) for the well-being of others, but at the same time I have an overwhelming sense of sympathy, maybe even a bit of empathy towards them, as it is appears to be a serious mental illness in which they cannot control.

I don't know where I'm even going with this reply.

posted Nov 2, 2010

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Well that was quite stupid of Fidel Ramos. You'd think that after all those years of independence, our justice system would change. Guess not (although I have faith that we will become an awesome country (; )

posted Nov 2, 2010

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No, Varg killed a member of HIS OWN band, he stabbed Euronymous a few dozen times because Euronymous had a more evil reputation, probably gained after he supposedly ate some of the brains of their late lead singer Dead, who shot himself in the back of his record store, both Varg & Euronymous made necklace charms out of Dead's skull.



Yes, Varg Vikerness is out of jail now, was supposed to release an album called 'Den Hvite Guden' last spring but I haven't heard it.

posted Nov 2, 2010

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Another scenario? What if the public decides to pull a 1789 and wash the streets with the blood of capitalist thieves who give themselves bonuses while the remainder of the country economically falters?

What would determine who got their head cut off first? would it be from tax records or would it be anyone with a fortune of over a billion dollars who refused to hand it over to public coffers?

posted Nov 2, 2010

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Maybe i'm being naive, or just that I witched Boy A the other day, but I think everyone is capable of change.

posted Nov 2, 2010

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I think metal is moving foreward as a genre, there are alot of bands that are not reminiscent of one style, but many. Doom is fusing with death metal, while elements of prog are merging with thrash and sludge/stoner metal becoming more atmospheric and orchestrated. Things are really starting to pick up, especially here in Canada.

I find myself listening to more and more of it, as I get older I feel more disenfranchised and aggressive sounding music makes me feel really good. Going to mosh pits is the only form of therapy I receive these days.

posted Nov 2, 2010

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Yeah, it's banned over here. But I think it should be legal, for murders! Think about it, if a person killed another one, it's totally fair that this person got killed too... Right?

posted Nov 2, 2010

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It's banned over here. I think it should be banned everywhere! I think it's not justice when you're "freeing" someone of their life. I think they should rot in their jail cell for the rest of their life if they have committed a crime that deserves life imprisonment.

Killing them is just a quick fix. I think they should just die a very very lonely, slow and somewhat painful (emotionally but I'm not against being physically too) death. That way, they can suffer for a very long time! Just like how the person whose son/daughter/brother/sister/friend/whatever has to suffer after losing them.

posted Nov 3, 2010

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Its banned in Canada. I don't believe in it for various reasons. I think that if someone commits a crime that bad then they deserve to sit in jail for the rest of their lives. The death penalty kind of seems like a better solution for the prisoner, instead of having to endure jail for the rest of their life they can just end it right then. Also, there have been many wrong convictions and it would be so horrible for someone to be wrongly charged and then killed.

posted Nov 3, 2010

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posted Nov 8, 2010

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The United States is one of two remaining industrialized nations to
still use death as a form of punishment. There are approximately 3,000
prisoners currently living on Death Row. No other country in the world
has this many of it's citizens awaiting execution. If you support capital
punishment you support absolute political control at it's sickest
extreme.
Murder, murder, murder, murder
Why must we continue to murder
Those who've been convicted of murder
Enforced under the lie that it's deterrent of murder
Justifies their fucking murder
Sentenced to die
Sentenced to death
Capitol punishment
A tool of the terrorist
It's nothing more than a political weapon
It's not a deterrent
It's not a prevention
Kill one man
Spare another
Our justice system is based on color
Examine the facts
You have to face it
The American's crime
An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind
Politicians who seek enhancement look towards murder for career advancement
They prey on fear and insecurity
To win support of the majority
Endorsing murder under false perceptions
Being tough on crime helps win elections
They're playing God
They have no right
It's premeditated political sacrifice
It's not about a murder or a crime committed
Not what was done, but who fucking did it
It's not about law or even justice
It's all about race and economic status
You can't judge a person by a stereotyped race
You have to look at the individual case
No life's returned by an execution
Another death is no solution
Their justice system is just our burden
The way they treat the average person
What about murder by government agents
Not capital punishment or even containment
These political pawns get away with murder
They're servants to the new world order
You'll see no outside intervention
Not a single death recommendation

posted Nov 8, 2010

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Thought I'd bump this to perhaps hear newer opinion... As previously said its abolished here in England, I personally though am all for it, I believe in a life for a life.

I used to read the news pretty much each day, seeing these violent murders being carried out, brutal cases.... I remember one case that got me pretty angry though, it was about the death of 'Baby P' a little boy whose step-father beat him brutally every single day over a long period of time until the child finally died, I quote ''A post-mortem revealed he had swallowed a tooth after being punched in the face, the other 50+ injuries included a broken back, broken ribs, mutilated fingertips, fingernails missing and extensive cuts and bruising'', ''The 17-month-old died after months of being used as a punchbag'', The scum who did that to the defenceless child should have been very slowly executed, but guess what? He'll be free in afew years.

Oh yes, here in England feel free to kill, maim or disable someone, and only expect afew years at most, then welcome back into society, and perhaps if you went a little overkill on your victim, a new identity too!

If the evidence is there, and there is no doubt they commited the crime, teach them a fucking lesson I say.... None of that ''give them afew years in jail to let them think about what they did and then let them go free'' crap.



The justice system here is a joke, Its like The Smiths song 'sweet and tender hooligan' said...

'''''
He was a sweet and tender hooligan and he swore that he'd never, never do it again and of course he won't, not until the next time.
The poor old man, he had an "accident" with a three bar fire but that's ok, because he wasn't very happy anyway.
Poor woman, strangled in her very own bed as she read, but that's ok, she was old and she would have died anyway, don't blame this sweet and tender hooligan...
''''

That song came out in the 80's speaking about how soft the courts were on killers and murderers, nothing has changed, if anything the sentences are a hell of alot more lenient these days.

posted Feb 5, 2012

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My instinct is to say I totally support the death penalty. If you'd asked me aged 16, I would have vehemently defended it.

These days, I take the view of death being an easy way out. Why should somebody who has commited these hideous crimes get to escape them? The victims have to live with the consequences every day for the rest of their lives. So should the criminals.

I agree that prison should be a much harsher punishment than it actually is right now in the UK. Certain crimes should have people locked up for the rest of their life. Unfortunately, there are too many of those criminals today and keeping them in custody costs money.

posted Feb 5, 2012

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We don't have it in Croatia and I really think we should. Our justice system is terrible and our jails are crowded. So if you kill someone, you get few years and that's it (not to mention it's actually weird if you DO get in jail), it's someone elses' turn. It's really sad. I believe there would be less crime if there was death penalty. I might actually feel safe.

posted Mar 18, 2012

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It's odd for me, as I see this issue from a plurality of viewpoints. I don't like killing, so naturally disapprove of the death penalty. But I also believe that some crimes merit the punishment, and some heinous individuals should stop sharing our air. I've grown up in Texas, a land famous for its executions. I've also grown up in Texas, a land famous for abusing its privilege to take another person's life. I don't trust the legal system, and don't think they should have the right to sentence (potentially) innocent people to death. But at the same time, there are many whom most certainly deserve that punishment, who are completely and unequivocally guilty.

At the moment, however, I think most of the problems with the world stem from a slipshod legal system, from the judicial level all the way to the penal level, which locks up plenty of perfectly innocent criminals and fails to punish obvious criminals. It's a system that relies to thoroughly on capitalism and not nearly enough on justice. Although I have no answers on how to potentially fix that, I think the main focus should be on that of reform, as opposed to reconsidering death penalty laws.

posted Mar 18, 2012

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It's not legal in the UK and I am glad of it. To me it makes no sense at all to punish murder with murder. Surely it is the obligation of the justice system to enforce the moral code which is currently accepted by society. If intentionally killing a person is considered morally reprehensible by the law, how can it be employed as a means of achieving justice?

Capital punishment desensitizes people to killing and devalues human life. And the fact that countries with the death penalty often have the highest homicide rates shows that it is not an effective deterrent.

The purpose of the justice system should be to protect the public, and reform the criminals. Revenge is never a good motivation for punishment.

posted Mar 18, 2012

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